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Ash Tilawat: Welcome to Night School. I'm Ash, the

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Ash Tilawat: CTO of Gauntlet AI. Over the last 2

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Byron Mackay: Hey there everybody.

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Byron Mackay: Welcome to tonight's night school. My

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Byron Mackay: name is Byron. It's good to see you all.

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Byron Mackay: Well, good to be with you and I'm

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Byron Mackay: excited to talk to you about tonight's

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Byron Mackay: topic. Uh it's it's one that I spend a

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Byron Mackay: lot of time with. I'm the director of

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Byron Mackay: learning here at uh Gauntlet and we're

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Byron Mackay: going to be talking about the

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Byron Mackay: environment, the learning environment,

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Byron Mackay: which uh may not sound like most

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Byron Mackay: exciting, but I'm going to do my very

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Byron Mackay: best to make it exciting. Uh there's a

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Byron Mackay: it's part big part of my job is to make

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Byron Mackay: sure that what we teach and how we learn

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Byron Mackay: and the experience we have here uh helps

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Byron Mackay: you become the best engineer that you

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Byron Mackay: can. Um, especially in the age of AI

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Byron Mackay: when everything's changing and moving so

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Byron Mackay: quickly, it's uh it's it's a hard it's a

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Byron Mackay: the more successful we will be. Um I

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Byron Mackay: talk to a lot of great engineers all the

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Byron Mackay: So, I'm going to share some of those

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Byron Mackay: Um, and I have a lot to say. So, please

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Byron Mackay: So,

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Byron Mackay: tonight's presentation is titled why the

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Byron Mackay: And it does not require allnighters. It

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Byron Mackay: what that requires.

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Byron Mackay: So first I want to show this. This is

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Byron Mackay: the 702010 model. The 702010 model was

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Byron Mackay: developed by the center for creative

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Byron Mackay: leadership and it shows you what su what

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Byron Mackay: right side. That is formal training.

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Byron Mackay: That you might think, Byron, that's what

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Byron Mackay: you do for a living is formal training.

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Byron Mackay: You're right. I do. I'm 10% of the

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Byron Mackay: Okay, so we've got Oh, you know what? I

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Byron Mackay: That's the one. Personal problem. User

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Byron Mackay: formal training 10%. Right? Very, very

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Byron Mackay: small piece. Look at this. The other 90%

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Byron Mackay: likely to stick through it rather than

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Byron Mackay: watching a video on your computer. Um

461
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Byron Mackay: it's it's also true when you are um

462
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Byron Mackay: working at a company, right? you have

463
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Byron Mackay: your team. Uh why do people have

464
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Byron Mackay: co-founders? Because of this.

465
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Byron Mackay: Because if we go try to go in on

466
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Byron Mackay: ourselves, we're pro we're far less

467
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Byron Mackay: likely to be successful than if we have

468
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Byron Mackay: people who are there to help us build

469
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Byron Mackay: and grow, right? This line here at the

470
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Byron Mackay: bottom is is I think very poignant and

471
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Byron Mackay: and and sings a little bit to me. But

472
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Byron Mackay: it's struggles to become uh struggles

473
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Byron Mackay: become the shared problem instead of a

474
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Byron Mackay: reason to quit. And I think that's so

475
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Byron Mackay: true in my experience, as I'm sure

476
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Byron Mackay: others can relate. But yes, the

477
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Byron Mackay: struggles we have when we're learning on

478
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Byron Mackay: our own can sometimes stop us and go

479
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Byron Mackay: like, I don't even want to do it. Um, I

480
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Byron Mackay: can tell you right now, I'm learning all

481
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Byron Mackay: about security. All about security. I

482
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Byron Mackay: have all these uh I'm learning so much

483
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Byron Mackay: as I'm learning about AI and security

484
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Byron Mackay: and it's a little bit hard for me to

485
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Byron Mackay: kind of like to to want to go and build

486
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Byron Mackay: and try to really get into the the weeds

487
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Byron Mackay: of security. I need somebody else to

488
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Byron Mackay: come with me.

489
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Byron Mackay: And so I'm working on that. So I'm

490
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Byron Mackay: working on on getting people to come

491
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Byron Mackay: with me on that journey so that I can I

492
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Byron Mackay: can have I can share these problems and

493
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Byron Mackay: we can get over them together. Um, here

494
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Byron Mackay: at Gauntlet, we have a tribe of a uh

495
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Byron Mackay: that consists of your cohort mates. Uh,

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Byron Mackay: that's a big part of what we do, a big

497
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Byron Mackay: reason why Gauntlet is so impactful, I

498
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Byron Mackay: think, for people. It's not just what

499
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Byron Mackay: you learn, but the network you're

500
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Byron Mackay: building while you're here and your

501
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Byron Mackay: cohort, the people that are in there

502
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Byron Mackay: with you that are doing the same things

503
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Byron Mackay: with you is a big piece of that. You

504
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Byron Mackay: have, of course, your instructors that

505
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Byron Mackay: are teaching you. Um, every week we have

506
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Byron Mackay: a number of lectures and these

507
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Byron Mackay: instructors come in and they all have

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Byron Mackay: their different flavor and different

509
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Byron Mackay: style of doing things. Um, but they're

510
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Byron Mackay: there to help you and they we hold

511
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Byron Mackay: office hours to for those instructors to

512
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Byron Mackay: ask to help you with your questions and

513
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Byron Mackay: your projects. We have a great team of

514
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Byron Mackay: engineering experts. Um, and these

515
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Byron Mackay: engineering experts uh are really above

516
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Byron Mackay: and beyond. They are building so much

517
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Byron Mackay: and they uh they come and teach and they

518
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Byron Mackay: will give you their insights on what

519
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Byron Mackay: actually is happening in the world. Um,

520
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Byron Mackay: and finally, we have hiring partners. We

521
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Byron Mackay: have hiring partners, which uh at

522
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Byron Mackay: Gauntlet are the cohort doesn't

523
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Byron Mackay: interface with the hiring partners as

524
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Byron Mackay: much, but I still include them because

525
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Byron Mackay: I'll talk to the hiring partners and

526
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Byron Mackay: I'll hear what their needs are. I'll

527
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Byron Mackay: hear what their concerns are, and then

528
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Byron Mackay: that's something I can take back and

529
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Byron Mackay: say, "Hey everybody, let's let's work

530
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Byron Mackay: this out. Let's figure out this the

531
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Byron Mackay: answer to this problem. How do we

532
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Byron Mackay: address this in a company?" Um, so we

533
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Byron Mackay: kind of get this feedback loop from them

534
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Byron Mackay: that then gets incorporated into our

535
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Byron Mackay: ecosystem and our learning environment

536
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Byron Mackay: and our and and our curriculum. Um, so

537
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Byron Mackay: it just makes for a really cohesive uh

538
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Byron Mackay: environment where everybody is uh is is

539
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Byron Mackay: constantly pushing one another and

540
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Byron Mackay: helping one another and expanding what

541
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Byron Mackay: we already know um into into other

542
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Byron Mackay: areas. So the tribe, the group of people

543
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Byron Mackay: you surround yourself with, the

544
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Byron Mackay: different resources, the different

545
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Byron Mackay: personnel that you can interact with and

546
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Byron Mackay: the value that they bring to your

547
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Byron Mackay: learning, that can go a long way. This

548
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Byron Mackay: can be found also in Slack groups. It

549
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Byron Mackay: can be found in, you know, Reddit

550
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Byron Mackay: threads, um, meetups in your local area,

551
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Byron Mackay: um, of course at your own place of

552
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Byron Mackay: employment, friends, um, you know, going

553
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Byron Mackay: to networking events even. you can talk

554
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Byron Mackay: to some people and get some interesting

555
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Byron Mackay: insights there. Um, so the all different

556
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Byron Mackay: ways that you can build that tribe

557
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Byron Mackay: around you and uh and get some great

558
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Byron Mackay: insights and that's going to help you go

559
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Byron Mackay: a long way. So remember we talked about

560
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Byron Mackay: uh doing um we talked about doing with

561
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Byron Mackay: feedback

562
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Byron Mackay: um and how this tribe can can help

563
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Byron Mackay: provide that feedback in numerous ways

564
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Byron Mackay: to really get you going. And I'll just

565
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Byron Mackay: highlight one more time the rate of

566
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Byron Mackay: success in learning with a good tribe.

567
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Byron Mackay: Um it goes it it's significantly more

568
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Byron Mackay: successful um than without. And I think

569
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Byron Mackay: about all the great engineers I know,

570
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Byron Mackay: they all have this kind of mentality of

571
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Byron Mackay: building their tribe. It's it's really

572
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Byron Mackay: quite impressive. Um and that's one

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Byron Mackay: thing at Gauntlet that we feel makes us

574
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Byron Mackay: very successful is is we provide a lot

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Byron Mackay: of that environment here for you. Um and

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Byron Mackay: and we've seen again in my career I've

577
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Byron Mackay: done both and uh this is by far the way

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Byron Mackay: to go and we're going to keep it that

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Byron Mackay: way.

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Byron Mackay: Um

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Byron Mackay: so one of the one of the things that uh

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Byron Mackay: we do here at Gauntlet, this is one of

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Byron Mackay: the more recent changes that we have. Um

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Byron Mackay: but we share ideas constantly here

585
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Byron Mackay: because you're with this group of people

586
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Byron Mackay: who are all trying to understand this AI

587
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Byron Mackay: space and it's changing all the time.

588
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Byron Mackay: Um, we want to share ideas. We want to

589
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Byron Mackay: share what we're working on, right? We

590
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Byron Mackay: want to get that feedback. And that's

591
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Byron Mackay: not new to G. That's always been there

592
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Byron Mackay: since day one because everyone's always

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Byron Mackay: talking, always chatting about their

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Byron Mackay: stuff. But we've actually kind of

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Byron Mackay: encapsulated that into what we call an

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Byron Mackay: architecture defense. And what an

597
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Byron Mackay: architecture defense consists of is five

598
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Byron Mackay: of you, five people will have will be

599
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Byron Mackay: given an assignment and it's a case

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Byron Mackay: study. And these five people will take

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Byron Mackay: this case study and they'll all come up

602
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Byron Mackay: with their own solutions to this case

603
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Byron Mackay: study. And then within hours of

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Byron Mackay: receiving the assignment and creating

605
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Byron Mackay: that plan, they will sit in a room

606
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Byron Mackay: together and each one takes a turn

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Byron Mackay: presenting their plan.

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Byron Mackay: And they get five minutes. And then

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Byron Mackay: after they get they give their

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Byron Mackay: five-minute presentation, the rest of

611
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Byron Mackay: the group gets five minutes to poke

612
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Byron Mackay: holes, critique, ask all the questions

613
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Byron Mackay: they want.

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Byron Mackay: It can be grueling. It can be um it can

615
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Byron Mackay: be difficult to stand up there in front

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Byron Mackay: of peers, but they're giving you very

617
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Byron Mackay: valuable feedback in those sessions. And

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Byron Mackay: something that I'm very proud of to say

619
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Byron Mackay: has been um very successful. Sometimes

620
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Byron Mackay: it doesn't feel that way cuz it's it's

621
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Byron Mackay: it can feel like you're getting put on

622
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Byron Mackay: the spot and and rightfully so you are.

623
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Byron Mackay: Um but the outputs that we get from it,

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Byron Mackay: the the changes that are then made and

625
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Byron Mackay: the direction that people are going is

626
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Byron Mackay: uh has has had a remarkable difference

627
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Byron Mackay: since we started doing those. Um so

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Byron Mackay: that's just one one way that we're kind

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Byron Mackay: of iterating on these ideas of how we

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Byron Mackay: get feedback.

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Byron Mackay: Okay.

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Byron Mackay: Um I want to talk about uh I want to

633
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Byron Mackay: talk about this here with learning with

634
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Byron Mackay: LMS because

635
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Byron Mackay: it wasn't you know this is a new thing

636
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Byron Mackay: that we have and it's it's really

637
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Byron Mackay: powerful and I don't know if I'm sure

638
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Byron Mackay: many of you have if not all of you have

639
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Byron Mackay: sat down with an element said I don't

640
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Byron Mackay: know what this is explain to me like I'm

641
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Byron Mackay: five and suddenly you get this great

642
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Byron Mackay: explanation and you can go back and ask

643
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Byron Mackay: questions and be like what about in this

644
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Byron Mackay: case or in my life I do this and is this

645
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Byron Mackay: you know is this related Um,

646
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Byron Mackay: and it's it's it's amazing, right? Like

647
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Byron Mackay: you're not reading blog posts. You're

648
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Byron Mackay: not trying to find the thing that um

649
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Byron Mackay: that works just for you. Uh, and we

650
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Byron Mackay: encourage it. We encourage learning with

651
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Byron Mackay: LLMs. I will highlight again though that

652
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Byron Mackay: it is only a piece of the process and it

653
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Byron Mackay: has to be done right. It really does. Um

654
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Byron Mackay: there's there are learning strategies

655
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Byron Mackay: with LLMs that are being used and

656
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Byron Mackay: leveraged that uh accelerate the

657
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Byron Mackay: um the comprehension far better than

658
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Byron Mackay: we've been able to do it before. U

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Byron Mackay: Miriam, this kind of comes back to to

660
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Byron Mackay: your question a bit on the consuming

661
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Byron Mackay: side and how we cannot get too heavily

662
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Byron Mackay: focused on it, but I'm going to

663
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Byron Mackay: highlight here that it's still very very

664
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Byron Mackay: important. Um, I want to talk about a

665
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Byron Mackay: Harvard study that happened. Um,

666
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Byron Mackay: physical science fall of 2023. ChachiBT

667
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Byron Mackay: just came out not too long ago and a

668
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Byron Mackay: Harvard professor decided, I'm going to

669
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Byron Mackay: use this, but I want to see how

670
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Byron Mackay: effective this actually is. So, he built

671
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Byron Mackay: a chatbot. He built a chatbot and this

672
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Byron Mackay: chatbot had all of his material and he

673
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Byron Mackay: made sure he he wanted to make sure that

674
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Byron Mackay: there were no hallucinations. So, he

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Byron Mackay: gave it a lot of context. These were

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Byron Mackay: older LLMs that were much more highly

677
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Byron Mackay: likely to hallucinate. Um, and he put

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Byron Mackay: these chatbots he put a chatbot up for

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Byron Mackay: his students to learn from. Now, he had

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Byron Mackay: he always had a control. So, he always

681
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Byron Mackay: had one class that didn't have the

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Byron Mackay: tutor, the AI tutor, and another class

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Byron Mackay: that did. Um, and consequently, he would

684
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Byron Mackay: actually flip them. So, one week one

685
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Byron Mackay: would have him and the next week the

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Byron Mackay: other one would have him back and forth.

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Byron Mackay: And what he noticed was that those the

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Byron Mackay: the weeks that the student had the LLM

689
00:27:41.840 --> 00:27:44.480
Byron Mackay: tutor, they reported higher engagement

690
00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:46.799
Byron Mackay: in class. He reported higher grades

691
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:48.480
Byron Mackay: overall, better explanations on their

692
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:50.960
Byron Mackay: papers. The students that had the AI

693
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:54.159
Byron Mackay: were doing far better. Now,

694
00:27:54.159 --> 00:27:56.480
Byron Mackay: what does that mean for us? Well, it

695
00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:58.000
Byron Mackay: means that this works. It means there's

696
00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:00.080
Byron Mackay: a way that learning with LMS is actually

697
00:28:00.080 --> 00:28:02.399
Byron Mackay: really impactful. It gets us up to

698
00:28:02.399 --> 00:28:03.760
Byron Mackay: speed. Remember what I said earlier

699
00:28:03.760 --> 00:28:06.399
Byron Mackay: about LLM will give you the average? So,

700
00:28:06.399 --> 00:28:07.919
Byron Mackay: we're going to get to the average a lot

701
00:28:07.919 --> 00:28:10.159
Byron Mackay: faster if we just can leverage them

702
00:28:10.159 --> 00:28:12.240
Byron Mackay: correctly. And then from there, we can

703
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:13.600
Byron Mackay: actually springboard off into different

704
00:28:13.600 --> 00:28:15.840
Byron Mackay: directions. And of course, LMS can help

705
00:28:15.840 --> 00:28:17.520
Byron Mackay: us do web searches and research papers

706
00:28:17.520 --> 00:28:18.799
Byron Mackay: and find other information. And that's

707
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.279
Byron Mackay: all great and good. But it can speed up

708
00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:22.799
Byron Mackay: our learning quite a bit or at least our

709
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:25.760
Byron Mackay: understanding or our our breath of

710
00:28:25.760 --> 00:28:27.760
Byron Mackay: awareness is what I how I like to put

711
00:28:27.760 --> 00:28:31.120
Byron Mackay: it. Um, I have something that I can I'm

712
00:28:31.120 --> 00:28:33.440
Byron Mackay: happy to share with everybody here. Um,

713
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:35.120
Byron Mackay: it's a resource that I shared in my last

714
00:28:35.120 --> 00:28:39.679
Byron Mackay: night's school where it's a it's a um

715
00:28:39.679 --> 00:28:42.080
Byron Mackay: it's a skill I've turned into a skill

716
00:28:42.080 --> 00:28:44.640
Byron Mackay: now where it'll help you learn system

717
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:47.840
Byron Mackay: design, but it does it in a way where it

718
00:28:47.840 --> 00:28:50.559
Byron Mackay: has a structure, but it quizzes you and

719
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:52.000
Byron Mackay: it gives you case studies and does

720
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:53.760
Byron Mackay: different things to help kind of

721
00:28:53.760 --> 00:28:56.080
Byron Mackay: scaffold your learning.

722
00:28:56.080 --> 00:28:58.480
Byron Mackay: um when we use LMS with some scaffold

723
00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:00.399
Byron Mackay: learning that's something that will

724
00:29:00.399 --> 00:29:03.679
Byron Mackay: really help us to um accelerate our

725
00:29:03.679 --> 00:29:06.880
Byron Mackay: understanding and then we can go and

726
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:09.919
Byron Mackay: implement it. Um I really like the idea

727
00:29:09.919 --> 00:29:12.000
Byron Mackay: of a of a college classroom where we go

728
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:14.799
Byron Mackay: home and study with an LLM. Um maybe we

729
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.120
Byron Mackay: even read and and reading books as well,

730
00:29:17.120 --> 00:29:19.120
Byron Mackay: but we kind of study on our own. We come

731
00:29:19.120 --> 00:29:20.880
Byron Mackay: to class, we're ready, we have this

732
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:23.760
Byron Mackay: great discussion. We start to poke holes

733
00:29:23.760 --> 00:29:25.120
Byron Mackay: in each other's ideas and see where

734
00:29:25.120 --> 00:29:26.720
Byron Mackay: things work and things don't. And then

735
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:28.399
Byron Mackay: we can go build and then we come back

736
00:29:28.399 --> 00:29:30.480
Byron Mackay: and get feedback. Um, and then we kind

737
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:31.919
Byron Mackay: of iterate there between the build and

738
00:29:31.919 --> 00:29:33.760
Byron Mackay: the feedback and, you know, incorporate

739
00:29:33.760 --> 00:29:35.840
Byron Mackay: the element. There you have that whole

740
00:29:35.840 --> 00:29:38.159
Byron Mackay: system in place and you're going to go a

741
00:29:38.159 --> 00:29:39.840
Byron Mackay: whole lot further. Now, you do that with

742
00:29:39.840 --> 00:29:41.200
Byron Mackay: a group of people who are like-minded

743
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:42.880
Byron Mackay: and want to do the same thing. You're

744
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:45.120
Byron Mackay: going to go even further and you see how

745
00:29:45.120 --> 00:29:48.320
Byron Mackay: this all kind of builds up together. Um,

746
00:29:48.320 --> 00:29:50.640
Byron Mackay: if you have the right balance between

747
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:52.960
Byron Mackay: those, then you can really accelerate

748
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:55.360
Byron Mackay: your learning and really push yourself.

749
00:29:55.360 --> 00:29:56.799
Byron Mackay: Um, this is actually a product that

750
00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:58.640
Byron Mackay: we're working on internally for our

751
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:01.200
Byron Mackay: students. We have a scaffold AI tutor.

752
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.919
Byron Mackay: We call it Traverse and it's a tool that

753
00:30:03.919 --> 00:30:06.080
Byron Mackay: does exactly that. We have things that

754
00:30:06.080 --> 00:30:10.159
Byron Mackay: we want uh our cohorts to understand. Um

755
00:30:10.159 --> 00:30:12.159
Byron Mackay: that expands their breath of of

756
00:30:12.159 --> 00:30:14.880
Byron Mackay: awareness and uh it gives them just

757
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:17.679
Byron Mackay: enough to say I can go and articulate

758
00:30:17.679 --> 00:30:20.000
Byron Mackay: how to solve a problem. Even if I

759
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:21.600
Byron Mackay: haven't solved that problem before, I'm

760
00:30:21.600 --> 00:30:23.120
Byron Mackay: at least aware of the solutions that

761
00:30:23.120 --> 00:30:25.679
Byron Mackay: exist and I can start to um iterate on

762
00:30:25.679 --> 00:30:31.360
Byron Mackay: those. So um something anyway it's it's

763
00:30:31.360 --> 00:30:33.440
Byron Mackay: it's it's something that we're working

764
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:35.200
Byron Mackay: on. we're we're iterating on with our

765
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:37.919
Byron Mackay: with our students as we speak. So, um

766
00:30:37.919 --> 00:30:40.480
Byron Mackay: it's a it's a fun fun opportunity to see

767
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:42.640
Byron Mackay: just how far these LMS can can take some

768
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Byron Mackay: learning.

769
00:30:45.520 --> 00:30:47.440
Byron Mackay: Okay.

770
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:50.799
Byron Mackay: Now, what about curriculum? Now, here's

771
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:53.440
Byron Mackay: here's all the pieces that shape the

772
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.240
Byron Mackay: environment, but what about curriculum?

773
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:57.679
Byron Mackay: Curriculum was the smallest piece.

774
00:30:57.679 --> 00:31:01.039
Byron Mackay: Remember the formal training, the 10%.

775
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:02.399
Byron Mackay: Is that really needed? Do we actually

776
00:31:02.399 --> 00:31:05.679
Byron Mackay: need it? We do. We do need it. Why?

777
00:31:05.679 --> 00:31:09.279
Byron Mackay: Because it gives us focus. It gives us a

778
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:12.399
Byron Mackay: path that we can follow. It's there's

779
00:31:12.399 --> 00:31:13.760
Byron Mackay: not this stop and going, "Okay, where

780
00:31:13.760 --> 00:31:14.960
Byron Mackay: would we go next?" No, we know where

781
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:16.880
Byron Mackay: we're going next. It keeps us moving.

782
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:18.640
Byron Mackay: Keeps us moving in the right direction.

783
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:20.159
Byron Mackay: And we have these checkpoints where we

784
00:31:20.159 --> 00:31:21.520
Byron Mackay: can come in and talk about different

785
00:31:21.520 --> 00:31:23.360
Byron Mackay: topics and then we move on to the next

786
00:31:23.360 --> 00:31:24.880
Byron Mackay: one. That structured learning can go a

787
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.760
Byron Mackay: long way. Can really help us um learn

788
00:31:27.760 --> 00:31:30.240
Byron Mackay: and do and build things.

789
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.679
Byron Mackay: um it's a it's still a very important

790
00:31:33.679 --> 00:31:36.559
Byron Mackay: piece, albeit a smaller piece to the to

791
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:39.840
Byron Mackay: the whole, but if we don't have that,

792
00:31:39.840 --> 00:31:42.960
Byron Mackay: it's we we we can lose our direction

793
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:45.760
Byron Mackay: real quick. Um and so it's it's still a

794
00:31:45.760 --> 00:31:47.519
Byron Mackay: critical critical piece to the whole

795
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.919
Byron Mackay: thing. But if we have curriculum, we

796
00:31:49.919 --> 00:31:52.320
Byron Mackay: talked about our tribe. Our tribe being

797
00:31:52.320 --> 00:31:54.399
Byron Mackay: where the people we surround ourselves

798
00:31:54.399 --> 00:31:56.320
Byron Mackay: with, they can give us feedback, they

799
00:31:56.320 --> 00:31:59.760
Byron Mackay: can give us new ideas. our our our

800
00:31:59.760 --> 00:32:02.240
Byron Mackay: problems be become shared problems and

801
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:05.519
Byron Mackay: we can solve them um together as a team

802
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.039
Byron Mackay: because if one person's pro having the

803
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.440
Byron Mackay: problem, somebody else uh is likely

804
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:13.200
Byron Mackay: having the same issue. Um we talked

805
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:15.200
Byron Mackay: about building over consuming. We still

806
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:17.200
Byron Mackay: need to consume

807
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:19.840
Byron Mackay: um but we need to build a lot. Remember

808
00:32:19.840 --> 00:32:21.360
Byron Mackay: what we talked about on the job training

809
00:32:21.360 --> 00:32:23.919
Byron Mackay: was 70%. we need to be doing something

810
00:32:23.919 --> 00:32:26.240
Byron Mackay: with what we are learning or it won't

811
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:28.799
Byron Mackay: happen or it just it just won't uh won't

812
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:30.799
Byron Mackay: stick as well and we won't grow and

813
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:33.200
Byron Mackay: expand and find out what we what we

814
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:36.080
Byron Mackay: don't know. Um that's one thing here at

815
00:32:36.080 --> 00:32:37.679
Byron Mackay: Glet. We always have projects we're

816
00:32:37.679 --> 00:32:40.000
Byron Mackay: working on. Always, always, always. And

817
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:43.600
Byron Mackay: they're hefty. They're big. Um we talk

818
00:32:43.600 --> 00:32:46.960
Byron Mackay: about how a Gauntlet cohort there's uh

819
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.279
Byron Mackay: it's the amount of time you spend in a

820
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:50.720
Byron Mackay: week is anywhere between 80 to 100

821
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:54.080
Byron Mackay: hours. And that's not just because we

822
00:32:54.080 --> 00:32:55.840
Byron Mackay: say stay at your computer for 80 to 100

823
00:32:55.840 --> 00:32:58.080
Byron Mackay: hours. We give you really hefty projects

824
00:32:58.080 --> 00:33:01.200
Byron Mackay: that take a lot of time. Um, and we want

825
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:04.720
Byron Mackay: you sp we we we probably spend um we

826
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:08.159
Byron Mackay: spend at least 70% of our time building

827
00:33:08.159 --> 00:33:12.159
Byron Mackay: and working on on our projects. So we

828
00:33:12.159 --> 00:33:15.039
Byron Mackay: have that building side. Uh then we have

829
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.200
Byron Mackay: teaching and sharing of ideas that can

830
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:20.080
Byron Mackay: be structured time for feedback. It can

831
00:33:20.080 --> 00:33:21.679
Byron Mackay: just be talking to your different cohort

832
00:33:21.679 --> 00:33:23.360
Byron Mackay: members. It can be posting something in

833
00:33:23.360 --> 00:33:26.559
Byron Mackay: Slack and getting some help. Um, there's

834
00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:29.919
Byron Mackay: a lot of opportunities for teaching and

835
00:33:29.919 --> 00:33:32.000
Byron Mackay: sharing your own ideas and receiving

836
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:34.240
Byron Mackay: those ideas and teachings from others

837
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:36.320
Byron Mackay: while you're while you're here. And of

838
00:33:36.320 --> 00:33:38.000
Byron Mackay: course, you can find that elsewhere as

839
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:39.600
Byron Mackay: well, but I think it's a really critical

840
00:33:39.600 --> 00:33:42.320
Byron Mackay: piece uh in any learning environment to

841
00:33:42.320 --> 00:33:44.480
Byron Mackay: really accelerate learning. And finally,

842
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:49.360
Byron Mackay: LLMs. They have really influenced and

843
00:33:49.360 --> 00:33:51.679
Byron Mackay: impacted how quickly we can learn

844
00:33:51.679 --> 00:33:55.600
Byron Mackay: things. And uh I I'll be my personal

845
00:33:55.600 --> 00:33:57.840
Byron Mackay: opinion, the world hasn't figured it out

846
00:33:57.840 --> 00:34:00.960
Byron Mackay: yet. I I think they're scared. I think a

847
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:02.559
Byron Mackay: lot of people are scared of what these

848
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:05.039
Byron Mackay: what LLMs are capable of. And I think a

849
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.519
Byron Mackay: lot of people are, you know, keeping

850
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.560
Byron Mackay: keeping their distance, which I think is

851
00:34:10.560 --> 00:34:11.919
Byron Mackay: I think I'm talking speaking to the

852
00:34:11.919 --> 00:34:14.079
Byron Mackay: choir here quite a bit. That is the

853
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:15.679
Byron Mackay: wrong thing to do.

854
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:17.839
Byron Mackay: Don't stand off and and don't let them

855
00:34:17.839 --> 00:34:19.520
Byron Mackay: don't let them scare you. Like leverage

856
00:34:19.520 --> 00:34:20.800
Byron Mackay: them. They're great. They're amazing

857
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:23.760
Byron Mackay: tools. Um I have learned so much and

858
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:26.320
Byron Mackay: I've expanded my my own knowledge so

859
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:30.560
Byron Mackay: much because I have um put together a

860
00:34:30.560 --> 00:34:32.639
Byron Mackay: structured chatbot inside of inside of

861
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:35.040
Byron Mackay: Claude that I can use to start learning

862
00:34:35.040 --> 00:34:37.679
Byron Mackay: and understanding things. Um there's a

863
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:41.359
Byron Mackay: lot of opportunity there to uh um to

864
00:34:41.359 --> 00:34:43.040
Byron Mackay: expand what we know and really really

865
00:34:43.040 --> 00:34:45.599
Byron Mackay: push ourselves. um beyond what we what

866
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.520
Byron Mackay: we've been capable of before and so much

867
00:34:47.520 --> 00:34:50.879
Byron Mackay: faster than before. Um it's really it's

868
00:34:50.879 --> 00:34:54.720
Byron Mackay: really quite impressive and amazing.

869
00:34:54.720 --> 00:34:57.040
Byron Mackay: All right.

870
00:34:57.040 --> 00:35:02.320
Byron Mackay: So in summary here, um the lesson plan

871
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:05.520
Byron Mackay: is only 10%.

872
00:35:05.520 --> 00:35:08.560
Byron Mackay: The environment you create is the other

873
00:35:08.560 --> 00:35:10.720
Byron Mackay: 90%.

874
00:35:10.720 --> 00:35:13.839
Byron Mackay: That's how critical the environment is.

875
00:35:13.839 --> 00:35:17.040
Byron Mackay: Um, if you have the right environment,

876
00:35:17.040 --> 00:35:18.720
Byron Mackay: if you can create that environment for

877
00:35:18.720 --> 00:35:20.400
Byron Mackay: yourself or you find a group of

878
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:22.640
Byron Mackay: like-minded individuals,

879
00:35:22.640 --> 00:35:27.040
Byron Mackay: this is going to push you more um, and

880
00:35:27.040 --> 00:35:29.280
Byron Mackay: get you get you moving faster than ever

881
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.920
Byron Mackay: before. A lesson plan is important. It's

882
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:33.599
Byron Mackay: critical to this. It doesn't it doesn't

883
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:36.160
Byron Mackay: work well without one. But if you can

884
00:35:36.160 --> 00:35:37.920
Byron Mackay: put these two together and you can have

885
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:41.440
Byron Mackay: that have that environment, there's no

886
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:43.760
Byron Mackay: stopping you. That's one thing about uh

887
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:45.119
Byron Mackay: here at Gauntlet, we're not afraid to

888
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:46.560
Byron Mackay: tell people what we talk about. I can

889
00:35:46.560 --> 00:35:49.040
Byron Mackay: give you the syllabus. I can I could sit

890
00:35:49.040 --> 00:35:50.800
Byron Mackay: down and say, "Here's a list of

891
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:52.880
Byron Mackay: everything you should go through, but

892
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:56.400
Byron Mackay: it's only 10% of the of of what of of

893
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:58.640
Byron Mackay: how you can really push yourself off and

894
00:35:58.640 --> 00:36:02.000
Byron Mackay: become effective." Now, obviously, I'm

895
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:06.079
Byron Mackay: going to encourage this, but I really uh

896
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:08.320
Byron Mackay: really want to tell you that it's a it's

897
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:10.560
Byron Mackay: my honest assessment

898
00:36:10.560 --> 00:36:12.560
Byron Mackay: um from the things that I've seen and

899
00:36:12.560 --> 00:36:14.000
Byron Mackay: the experiences I've had, the people

900
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:16.720
Byron Mackay: that have gone through the program that

901
00:36:16.720 --> 00:36:20.160
Byron Mackay: Gauntlet is a great environment to work

902
00:36:20.160 --> 00:36:24.240
Byron Mackay: in and and learn in. It's rigorous. It's

903
00:36:24.240 --> 00:36:27.760
Byron Mackay: got a amazing tribe of people. um you

904
00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:30.640
Byron Mackay: will consume, you will build far more

905
00:36:30.640 --> 00:36:33.920
Byron Mackay: than you have. Um it'll be a chance for

906
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:37.920
Byron Mackay: you to really expand and uh the breadth

907
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:39.839
Byron Mackay: of what you know and how deep you know

908
00:36:39.839 --> 00:36:42.160
Byron Mackay: things and it's going to push you in so

909
00:36:42.160 --> 00:36:44.320
Byron Mackay: many ways to do that. And it's not just

910
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.119
Byron Mackay: what we teach. It's about the people

911
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:49.520
Byron Mackay: that you're around and the people that

912
00:36:49.520 --> 00:36:51.440
Byron Mackay: are here to support you. not just

913
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:53.440
Byron Mackay: gauntlet staff but also the other people

914
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:54.800
Byron Mackay: that come in that are trying to achieve

915
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:57.839
Byron Mackay: the same thing you are. You put all that

916
00:36:57.839 --> 00:37:01.359
Byron Mackay: together and it's a recipe for success.

917
00:37:01.359 --> 00:37:05.520
Byron Mackay: And so I would hope that um that anybody

918
00:37:05.520 --> 00:37:08.079
Byron Mackay: who is interested or or thinking how can

919
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:11.040
Byron Mackay: I get myself beyond where I am and and

920
00:37:11.040 --> 00:37:13.040
Byron Mackay: going off to you know get myself into a

921
00:37:13.040 --> 00:37:15.200
Byron Mackay: better position for my career or how do

922
00:37:15.200 --> 00:37:18.880
Byron Mackay: I navigate the AI era that we're in so

923
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:21.599
Byron Mackay: that I make sure my my job is secure or

924
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.160
Byron Mackay: I'm still relevant. This is a great

925
00:37:24.160 --> 00:37:27.280
Byron Mackay: place to come. We really we have focused

926
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:29.520
Byron Mackay: ourselves on creating an amazing

927
00:37:29.520 --> 00:37:32.560
Byron Mackay: environment that you can learn in. Um

928
00:37:32.560 --> 00:37:35.839
Byron Mackay: and I hope that uh that if any of you uh

929
00:37:35.839 --> 00:37:37.920
Byron Mackay: have a will that all of you will reach

930
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:41.040
Byron Mackay: out um and and see what it takes to get

931
00:37:41.040 --> 00:37:43.040
Byron Mackay: in and we can see you in class here at

932
00:37:43.040 --> 00:37:45.200
Byron Mackay: Gauntlet.

933
00:37:45.200 --> 00:37:47.599
Byron Mackay: Okay,

934
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:50.079
Byron Mackay: that's everything I have today uh for

935
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:52.880
Byron Mackay: you. Uh, I want to pause here for some

936
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:56.720
Byron Mackay: questions um that I can answer. Um, feel

937
00:37:56.720 --> 00:37:59.040
Byron Mackay: free to ask anything about Gauntlet,

938
00:37:59.040 --> 00:38:01.839
Byron Mackay: anything about learning, um, resources.

939
00:38:01.839 --> 00:38:04.560
Byron Mackay: I'm happy to to give you resources for

940
00:38:04.560 --> 00:38:07.599
Byron Mackay: your own personal plans, uh, or topics

941
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:09.200
Byron Mackay: that you may want or anything about the

942
00:38:09.200 --> 00:38:11.119
Byron Mackay: market that I can shed some light on

943
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:14.000
Byron Mackay: with what I do know about, uh, from from

944
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:16.880
Byron Mackay: talking to our hiring partners or what

945
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:19.520
Byron Mackay: I've seen our graduates go off and do.

946
00:38:19.520 --> 00:38:23.760
Byron Mackay: um what I see in the AI uh environment,

947
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:25.520
Byron Mackay: anything under there, anything else

948
00:38:25.520 --> 00:38:29.280
Byron Mackay: beyond, happy to take a whack at it. Um

949
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.359
Byron Mackay: Unice asked, "What email do we reach out

950
00:38:31.359 --> 00:38:33.920
Byron Mackay: to for Gauntlet?" Uh I would reach out,

951
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:36.640
Byron Mackay: well, there's the Gauntlet website. Um

952
00:38:36.640 --> 00:38:38.400
Byron Mackay: there's the Gauntlet website that we can

953
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:41.680
Byron Mackay: get you uh pointed to and uh that'll be

954
00:38:41.680 --> 00:38:43.839
Byron Mackay: gauntletai.com. That's a great place to

955
00:38:43.839 --> 00:38:45.839
Byron Mackay: get to to fill out your application and

956
00:38:45.839 --> 00:38:48.880
Byron Mackay: get going. Um, and then we will be

957
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:52.320
Byron Mackay: reaching out to you and get you uh to

958
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:53.520
Byron Mackay: help you get through the application

959
00:38:53.520 --> 00:38:55.920
Byron Mackay: process and make sure we can get you uh

960
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:59.040
Byron Mackay: get you going here. Um, another question

961
00:38:59.040 --> 00:39:00.400
Byron Mackay: here. I have a quick question on the

962
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:01.839
Byron Mackay: application. I applied on the for the

963
00:39:01.839 --> 00:39:04.880
Byron Mackay: July 6 cohort. My application says still

964
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:07.760
Byron Mackay: under review. Okay, that's a that's a

965
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:09.760
Byron Mackay: great call. I'm going to take your name

966
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:12.640
Byron Mackay: back to our admissions guy and make sure

967
00:39:12.640 --> 00:39:15.680
Byron Mackay: that uh that he is aware. And so I'm

968
00:39:15.680 --> 00:39:19.440
Byron Mackay: gonna take a quick note here and just

969
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.880
Byron Mackay: make sure that he's uh

970
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.520
Byron Mackay: he is uh make sure he catches your name.

971
00:39:25.520 --> 00:39:27.280
Byron Mackay: He we have a lot of applicants that come

972
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:32.240
Byron Mackay: in and so uh it's it's it's uh it's very

973
00:39:32.240 --> 00:39:34.000
Byron Mackay: likely I just need a poke prod and poke

974
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:37.119
Byron Mackay: and we'll get you going. Um same

975
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:38.480
Byron Mackay: question regarding application still

976
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:39.680
Byron Mackay: pending. All right, I'll take your name

977
00:39:39.680 --> 00:39:44.079
Byron Mackay: down as well. Get yours going there.

978
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:46.720
Byron Mackay: Um Nathan asked what interested in what

979
00:39:46.720 --> 00:39:48.240
Byron Mackay: gauntlets our graduates end up doing

980
00:39:48.240 --> 00:39:50.640
Byron Mackay: after the cohort. So part of gauntlet I

981
00:39:50.640 --> 00:39:52.320
Byron Mackay: didn't mention this earlier but part of

982
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:54.960
Byron Mackay: gauntlet is that we bring in hiring

983
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:57.760
Byron Mackay: partners who are looking for people um

984
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.160
Byron Mackay: with the skill sets that we teach and

985
00:40:00.160 --> 00:40:02.320
Byron Mackay: who have proven themselves that they can

986
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:03.920
Byron Mackay: learn in a rigorous environment and stay

987
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:07.359
Byron Mackay: up to date with their AI skills. And so

988
00:40:07.359 --> 00:40:11.760
Byron Mackay: uh one what uh uh so what our graduates

989
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:12.960
Byron Mackay: I'm doing is getting jobs with these

990
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:14.320
Byron Mackay: with these hiring partners. We actually

991
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:16.480
Byron Mackay: bring them in and they get interviewed

992
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:19.280
Byron Mackay: in person. Um part of Gauntlet is that

993
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:21.280
Byron Mackay: we fly you out to Austin, Austin, Texas,

994
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:22.800
Byron Mackay: and we're all in the office together. We

995
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.359
Byron Mackay: have this great office with um all the

996
00:40:25.359 --> 00:40:28.800
Byron Mackay: food and snacks and um and desk space

997
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:31.520
Byron Mackay: and monitors um that you can you can ask

998
00:40:31.520 --> 00:40:33.359
Byron Mackay: for. We do your laundry, pay for all

999
00:40:33.359 --> 00:40:34.800
Byron Mackay: your meals. It's great. And then we

1000
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:36.079
Byron Mackay: bring in hiring partners come interview

1001
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:38.160
Byron Mackay: you. So they all end up getting jobs and

1002
00:40:38.160 --> 00:40:40.480
Byron Mackay: moving on from there. Um so it's really

1003
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:43.520
Byron Mackay: a a fun a fun time. Really exciting to

1004
00:40:43.520 --> 00:40:44.800
Byron Mackay: see when everybody graduates and where

1005
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:48.079
Byron Mackay: they go off to. Um

1006
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:49.599
Byron Mackay: one asked what's the passing score for

1007
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:52.720
Byron Mackay: the CCAT? Yes, the CCAT is our uh is a

1008
00:40:52.720 --> 00:40:54.240
Byron Mackay: cognitive test that we have everybody

1009
00:40:54.240 --> 00:40:57.839
Byron Mackay: take. 40. 40 is the number um that we're

1010
00:40:57.839 --> 00:41:00.960
Byron Mackay: going for with the with the CCAT. Um,

1011
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:02.800
Byron Mackay: it's uh if you haven't taken the CCAP

1012
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:04.319
Byron Mackay: before, it's I wouldn't say the

1013
00:41:04.319 --> 00:41:06.640
Byron Mackay: questions are necessarily difficult, but

1014
00:41:06.640 --> 00:41:08.160
Byron Mackay: it is a time test and they don't give

1015
00:41:08.160 --> 00:41:09.440
Byron Mackay: you a lot of time. So, it's more about

1016
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:12.079
Byron Mackay: speed and doing your best in that time

1017
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:14.560
Byron Mackay: frame. Um, so just a little hint there

1018
00:41:14.560 --> 00:41:17.680
Byron Mackay: that you get about 16, 17, 18 seconds

1019
00:41:17.680 --> 00:41:20.240
Byron Mackay: per question. Um, that's about as much

1020
00:41:20.240 --> 00:41:21.839
Byron Mackay: time as you want to give yourself on

1021
00:41:21.839 --> 00:41:24.480
Byron Mackay: that test. It's a it's a tough one. Uh,

1022
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:26.079
Byron Mackay: just in terms of managing time, not

1023
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:28.480
Byron Mackay: necessarily in terms of questions.

1024
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:31.680
Byron Mackay: Um, all right. Nathan asks specifically,

1025
00:41:31.680 --> 00:41:34.319
Byron Mackay: do they typically take uh AI engineering

1026
00:41:34.319 --> 00:41:35.760
Byron Mackay: roles or more traditional software

1027
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:37.839
Byron Mackay: engineering roles? They're they're more

1028
00:41:37.839 --> 00:41:41.280
Byron Mackay: AI engineering based. Um,

1029
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:43.119
Byron Mackay: they are there there's there's this kind

1030
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:46.319
Byron Mackay: of mix you could say when these roles

1031
00:41:46.319 --> 00:41:49.440
Byron Mackay: where it's um part of it is is of course

1032
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:51.440
Byron Mackay: traditional software engineering, but

1033
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:53.040
Byron Mackay: they always want to have that AI

1034
00:41:53.040 --> 00:41:55.520
Byron Mackay: component as well. Whether that's your

1035
00:41:55.520 --> 00:41:58.640
Byron Mackay: coding workflow is a as a Gentic or your

1036
00:41:58.640 --> 00:42:01.200
Byron Mackay: um you can build AI products um or you

1037
00:42:01.200 --> 00:42:04.560
Byron Mackay: can be a leader at their company for um

1038
00:42:04.560 --> 00:42:07.119
Byron Mackay: for implementing AI. It's it's those

1039
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:08.240
Byron Mackay: kinds of things that they're that

1040
00:42:08.240 --> 00:42:10.400
Byron Mackay: they're looking for.

1041
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:13.599
Byron Mackay: All right. Ash asked uh also same thing

1042
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:16.560
Byron Mackay: for me. Okay. Yep. I'll put your name in

1043
00:42:16.560 --> 00:42:19.040
Byron Mackay: um and we'll get you uh get that over to

1044
00:42:19.040 --> 00:42:22.800
Byron Mackay: our uh to our applications.

1045
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:24.720
Byron Mackay: Um,

1046
00:42:24.720 --> 00:42:27.359
Byron Mackay: perfect. Um, Unice asked, "Can somebody

1047
00:42:27.359 --> 00:42:29.520
Byron Mackay: apply outside the can someone outside

1048
00:42:29.520 --> 00:42:32.560
Byron Mackay: the US apply?" Um, right now we

1049
00:42:32.560 --> 00:42:35.680
Byron Mackay: everybody needs to be a US citizen. Um,

1050
00:42:35.680 --> 00:42:37.200
Byron Mackay: they need to be able to work in the US

1051
00:42:37.200 --> 00:42:41.359
Byron Mackay: without um a visa. And so, uh, so for if

1052
00:42:41.359 --> 00:42:44.160
Byron Mackay: you're not a US citizen, then Gauntlet

1053
00:42:44.160 --> 00:42:45.680
Byron Mackay: might not be the best fit for you.

1054
00:42:45.680 --> 00:42:47.119
Byron Mackay: Whereas, if you are a US citizen, you're

1055
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:48.480
Byron Mackay: just living outside the US, that's

1056
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:50.400
Byron Mackay: perfectly fine as long as you're okay

1057
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:54.240
Byron Mackay: coming back to the US. Um,

1058
00:42:54.240 --> 00:42:56.560
Byron Mackay: all right. Uh, Stephen asked, "I would

1059
00:42:56.560 --> 00:42:57.920
Byron Mackay: like to join the next Gauntlet cohort. I

1060
00:42:57.920 --> 00:42:59.200
Byron Mackay: applied in the past but didn't pursue

1061
00:42:59.200 --> 00:43:01.200
Byron Mackay: strongly enough. I spent the past few

1062
00:43:01.200 --> 00:43:02.240
Byron Mackay: months building new software and

1063
00:43:02.240 --> 00:43:03.920
Byron Mackay: programs and really enjoy it." Awesome.

1064
00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:05.520
Byron Mackay: Stephen, you're the kind of guy I like

1065
00:43:05.520 --> 00:43:08.160
Byron Mackay: to talk to. Um, I would fill out the

1066
00:43:08.160 --> 00:43:09.359
Byron Mackay: application, start the application

1067
00:43:09.359 --> 00:43:12.000
Byron Mackay: again, uh, or if it lets you continue

1068
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:13.359
Byron Mackay: it. Not sure you might have to apply for

1069
00:43:13.359 --> 00:43:15.440
Byron Mackay: a new one if it's been long enough, but

1070
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:17.760
Byron Mackay: uh, get to the website, see what you can

1071
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:21.280
Byron Mackay: do, and we'll get you going.

1072
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:22.880
Byron Mackay: Um,

1073
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:25.040
Byron Mackay: all right. Uh,

1074
00:43:25.040 --> 00:43:27.280
Byron Mackay: Alexandra asks, "I'm early in my career

1075
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:28.800
Byron Mackay: and still in school, but I'm really

1076
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:30.640
Byron Mackay: interested in attending. What skills,

1077
00:43:30.640 --> 00:43:32.640
Byron Mackay: experiences, and projects should I focus

1078
00:43:32.640 --> 00:43:34.640
Byron Mackay: on to maximize my chances of being a

1079
00:43:34.640 --> 00:43:37.200
Byron Mackay: strong candidate?" Uh, Alexander, that's

1080
00:43:37.200 --> 00:43:41.280
Byron Mackay: a great question. I would focus on

1081
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:44.640
Byron Mackay: um building building something really

1082
00:43:44.640 --> 00:43:46.640
Byron Mackay: challenging. I think because you're

1083
00:43:46.640 --> 00:43:48.240
Byron Mackay: doing already in school, I know you're

1084
00:43:48.240 --> 00:43:49.680
Byron Mackay: going to get the all the all the other

1085
00:43:49.680 --> 00:43:51.599
Byron Mackay: things figured out, but what really sets

1086
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:54.560
Byron Mackay: people apart is

1087
00:43:54.560 --> 00:43:58.160
Byron Mackay: um is digging into a hard problem and

1088
00:43:58.160 --> 00:44:00.960
Byron Mackay: and then figuring it out. Um it doesn't

1089
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.920
Byron Mackay: have to be something so large or so big,

1090
00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:05.440
Byron Mackay: but there are enough hard problems out

1091
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:07.920
Byron Mackay: there that you can find where it's

1092
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:09.440
Byron Mackay: building it and building it well and

1093
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:10.880
Byron Mackay: building it right. You're going to find

1094
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:13.119
Byron Mackay: hurdles that you have to overcome. And

1095
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:14.800
Byron Mackay: just that process of overcoming those

1096
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:18.000
Byron Mackay: hurdles and learning um what hurdles

1097
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:21.200
Byron Mackay: exist that goes a long long way for

1098
00:44:21.200 --> 00:44:23.760
Byron Mackay: people especially in your in in your uh

1099
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:25.680
Byron Mackay: scenario at school where you get that

1100
00:44:25.680 --> 00:44:27.680
Byron Mackay: exposure, get that experience and you

1101
00:44:27.680 --> 00:44:29.440
Byron Mackay: can push yourself on. Where do you get

1102
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:32.319
Byron Mackay: the where do you get that uh where are

1103
00:44:32.319 --> 00:44:33.680
Byron Mackay: you going to go and find those kinds of

1104
00:44:33.680 --> 00:44:35.920
Byron Mackay: problems? Go find some people to talk to

1105
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:37.359
Byron Mackay: who are a little bit further along in

1106
00:44:37.359 --> 00:44:39.359
Byron Mackay: their careers. Go talk to them. Go see

1107
00:44:39.359 --> 00:44:41.839
Byron Mackay: what they're working on. um show

1108
00:44:41.839 --> 00:44:44.160
Byron Mackay: interest in what they're working on and

1109
00:44:44.160 --> 00:44:46.319
Byron Mackay: build those relationships with them.

1110
00:44:46.319 --> 00:44:48.160
Byron Mackay: Help them become part of your tribe

1111
00:44:48.160 --> 00:44:49.520
Byron Mackay: where they can become the people that

1112
00:44:49.520 --> 00:44:52.800
Byron Mackay: you can go to to chat with uh to throw

1113
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:56.319
Byron Mackay: ideas uh to to toss your ideas over the

1114
00:44:56.319 --> 00:44:58.480
Byron Mackay: wall and see what they think to get that

1115
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:01.119
Byron Mackay: feedback. Um big part, right, are all

1116
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:03.440
Byron Mackay: that learning uh learning environment

1117
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:05.440
Byron Mackay: that we talked about. finding those

1118
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:07.119
Byron Mackay: people that would really help you push

1119
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:09.440
Byron Mackay: along um your abilities and get you

1120
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:11.599
Byron Mackay: ready um to join and and when you're

1121
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:15.040
Byron Mackay: ready, we'd love to have you.

1122
00:45:15.040 --> 00:45:17.040
Byron Mackay: Um Stephen said, "I don't think the

1123
00:45:17.040 --> 00:45:18.480
Byron Mackay: website will let me reapply. I'd like

1124
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:20.160
Byron Mackay: you to recheck out." Stephen, I'll take

1125
00:45:20.160 --> 00:45:22.720
Byron Mackay: your name down, get you in with our

1126
00:45:22.720 --> 00:45:26.240
Byron Mackay: admissions guy. Um and we'll see what we

1127
00:45:26.240 --> 00:45:28.480
Byron Mackay: can do.

1128
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:30.000
Byron Mackay: All right.

1129
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.240
Byron Mackay: Um, Ash, is there any repos, frameworks,

1130
00:45:32.240 --> 00:45:33.599
Byron Mackay: tooling that you would recommend in

1131
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:37.280
Byron Mackay: general for agentic workflows uh that uh

1132
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.200
Byron Mackay: that we've all used or lean on at

1133
00:45:39.200 --> 00:45:40.400
Byron Mackay: Gauntlet through the through the

1134
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:42.400
Byron Mackay: syllabus or have it have you uh just

1135
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:44.480
Byron Mackay: found through the cohorts kind of rings

1136
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:46.720
Byron Mackay: true? That's a really interesting

1137
00:45:46.720 --> 00:45:49.440
Byron Mackay: question. Um

1138
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:53.119
Byron Mackay: because it it evolves so much. But

1139
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:54.880
Byron Mackay: what's so interesting is it actually

1140
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Byron Mackay: always comes back to like the basic

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Byron Mackay: principles that we picked up on early

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Byron Mackay: early on of of how to build agents.

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Byron Mackay: Um spectrum development is effective.

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Byron Mackay: Um,

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Byron Mackay: knowing the tools, knowing the breadth

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Byron Mackay: of tools is really important that you

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Byron Mackay: have available to you. Um, also really

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Byron Mackay: important.

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Byron Mackay: Uh,

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Byron Mackay: but as far as specific frameworks or

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00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:30.150
Byron Mackay: tooling, let me put it this way. Um,

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00:46:30.160 --> 00:46:33.040
Byron Mackay: the goal of engineering

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Byron Mackay: is to become a manager of agents.

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Byron Mackay: And so

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Byron Mackay: the um your ability to

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Byron Mackay: take a codebase and

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Byron Mackay: instruct it or or add enough context

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Byron Mackay: throughout your codebase that an agent

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Byron Mackay: can go through and follow along is

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Byron Mackay: really critical. Despite the framework

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Byron Mackay: that you use,

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Byron Mackay: the context is context is still king.

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Byron Mackay: Always probably will be. And so when

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Byron Mackay: you're able to um take cla files for

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Byron Mackay: example, I'm a claude person. So cloudmd

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Byron Mackay: files I agent MD files are the ones I

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Byron Mackay: believe for um for other frameworks. But

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Byron Mackay: cloudmd files are basically context you

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Byron Mackay: can drop in different folders in your um

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Byron Mackay: in your codebase. That is the crux of

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Byron Mackay: getting your agent to perform well in

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Byron Mackay: your codebase. You can give it the right

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Byron Mackay: instructions. you can split it up

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Byron Mackay: amongst many cloudmd files across many

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Byron Mackay: different directories so that it's not

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Byron Mackay: just all in one big context dump that

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Byron Mackay: it's very specific and it allows the LM

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Byron Mackay: to focus more on that context and when

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Byron Mackay: you get to a point where you feel like

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Byron Mackay: you've got that down where you've got

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Byron Mackay: that context down where you want it then

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Byron Mackay: you have an agent that just builds that

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Byron Mackay: piece of your application. So, maybe you

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Byron Mackay: have a a backend or database agent or um

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Byron Mackay: a front-end agent and you say, "Okay,

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Byron Mackay: now you're going to go and just build

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Byron Mackay: whatever I tell you." And then you can

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Byron Mackay: tweak that agent a little bit to uh to

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Byron Mackay: your liking until that agent can really

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Byron Mackay: run it autonomously, you know, most of

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Byron Mackay: generally all the time. And then you do

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Byron Mackay: that across the board. You build

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Byron Mackay: different agents for doing different

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Byron Mackay: tasks.

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Byron Mackay: And once you get to the point where you

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Byron Mackay: have all these agents that can run

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Byron Mackay: asynchronously and run autonomously

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Byron Mackay: um and you're not managing them anymore,

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Byron Mackay: you're just kind of giving them tasks.

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Byron Mackay: There's too much task giving for you to

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Byron Mackay: do. That's when you build your

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Byron Mackay: orchestrator above all of them

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Byron Mackay: and then you just talk to the

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Byron Mackay: orchestrator and he distributes the

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Byron Mackay: tasks.

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Byron Mackay: That's where it's all going. That's

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Byron Mackay: where I see everything heading. however

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Byron Mackay: way you look at it, whether it's through

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Byron Mackay: um you know, Ralph loop or whether it's

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Byron Mackay: through um um there's there's there's

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Byron Mackay: other there's other loops that I' that

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Byron Mackay: I've seen or spectrum developments or

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Byron Mackay: all these other things. It all comes

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Byron Mackay: back to can you provide the best context

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Byron Mackay: possible. So, I'm just going to stick

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Byron Mackay: with that principle for now and not give

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Byron Mackay: like a specific framework tooling or

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Byron Mackay: repo. Um

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Byron Mackay: okay, I will give you one repo.

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Byron Mackay: Awesome Skills. Um, that one is great.

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Byron Mackay: Uh, Awesome Skills has a bunch of skills

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Byron Mackay: that you can go through, read through.

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Byron Mackay: It gives you great, um, exposure to what

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Byron Mackay: a good skill looks like and also

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Byron Mackay: probably what some bad skills look like.

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Byron Mackay: U,, but you can leverage those. Um, a

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Byron Mackay: favorite one that keeps coming up is

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Byron Mackay: Grill Me, the Grill Me skill. Um, that

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Byron Mackay: one's excellent because it will really

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Byron Mackay: push you to think through your ideas,

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Byron Mackay: especially if you're doing spectrum

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Byron Mackay: development or you're building a you're

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Byron Mackay: trying to, you know, build an app or or

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Byron Mackay: you have a PR you want to do. The grill

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Byron Mackay: me PR is or the grill me skill is really

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Byron Mackay: good at pointing out things that you

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Byron Mackay: maybe didn't notice before. All right,

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Byron Mackay: long answer. Uh, but there you go. All

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Byron Mackay: right. Um, let's see. Coleman, is this

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Byron Mackay: boot camp a good fit for someone with 10

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Byron Mackay: years of system admin roles but no

1242
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Byron Mackay: traditional dev background building

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Byron Mackay: custom applications with AI um for work

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00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:14.880
Byron Mackay: and personally? Um that is a great

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Byron Mackay: question. It depends on what these last

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Byron Mackay: few years you've been able to build I

1247
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Byron Mackay: would say. Um CIS admin roles do not

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00:50:22.319 --> 00:50:26.000
Byron Mackay: usually fit well with the um with most

1249
00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:28.559
Byron Mackay: of our hiring partners. Um, but

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00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:29.920
Byron Mackay: depending on what you've built, it might

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00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:32.720
Byron Mackay: expand to other uh hire partners as

1252
00:50:32.720 --> 00:50:35.280
Byron Mackay: well. So, um, something to look into.

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Byron Mackay: Happy to look at your LinkedIn and have

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00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.079
Byron Mackay: a conversation or you should just apply.

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Byron Mackay: Um, our our applications guy is great at

1256
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Byron Mackay: helping you kind of navigate that and

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Byron Mackay: make that decision as well.

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Byron Mackay: Um, Derek, how does gauntlet screening

1259
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Byron Mackay: process compare to say IBM's? Is that a

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00:50:51.040 --> 00:50:52.640
Byron Mackay: comparison the team has ever made? I

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Byron Mackay: have never made that comparison. That's

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Byron Mackay: a great idea. Um, I'd have to look into

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Byron Mackay: it and see. Um, but very interesting. I

1264
00:51:01.359 --> 00:51:03.680
Byron Mackay: will say that at Gauntlet, we do kind of

1265
00:51:03.680 --> 00:51:04.960
Byron Mackay: see ourselves as like a 10-week

1266
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Byron Mackay: interview. And so, it's a lot of rigor,

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Byron Mackay: um, a lot of learning, a lot of

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Byron Mackay: building, um, a lot of, um, soft skills,

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00:51:13.680 --> 00:51:16.240
Byron Mackay: checking, how well do you communicate,

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Byron Mackay: um, how well do you, uh, present ideas,

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Byron Mackay: how well do you give feedback, that sort

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Byron Mackay: of thing. Um, a lot of, uh, a lot of

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Byron Mackay: things that we do there. And then by the

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00:51:25.680 --> 00:51:27.520
Byron Mackay: end of that you get hired on by these

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00:51:27.520 --> 00:51:31.119
Byron Mackay: companies. So um but like I said you

1276
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:34.079
Byron Mackay: also get your you get room and board and

1277
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:36.720
Byron Mackay: meals and a great network and even your

1278
00:51:36.720 --> 00:51:39.200
Byron Mackay: laundry paid for uh while you do it all.

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Byron Mackay: So a lot of fun.

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Byron Mackay: Um

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00:51:43.839 --> 00:51:46.000
Byron Mackay: Stephen asks uh question regarding the

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Byron Mackay: projects that uh sponsors or companies

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00:51:48.640 --> 00:51:50.079
Byron Mackay: bring to you. Do you have flexibility

1284
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Byron Mackay: for which projects we would like to work

1285
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Byron Mackay: on? I'm particularly interested in

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Byron Mackay: healthcare or chemical engineering. Love

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Byron Mackay: it. Yes, absolutely. We have um we have

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Byron Mackay: partners in both of those and so you'll

1289
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:02.640
Byron Mackay: have opportunities to work or you could

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Byron Mackay: you would have an opportunity to

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Byron Mackay: interface with them and do projects for

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00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:08.160
Byron Mackay: them and talk to them. Um there's a we

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Byron Mackay: have a quite a quite a good range I

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Byron Mackay: would say um of industries that we

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Byron Mackay: cover. Um healthcare and chemical

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Byron Mackay: engineering being two of them.

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Byron Mackay: Um

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Byron Mackay: ah uh Uriel I see you sorry you missed

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Byron Mackay: the session but this is all recorded uh

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00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:26.880
Byron Mackay: so you have a chance to go back u which

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Byron Mackay: is your question I just realized is your

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Byron Mackay: question well is it recorded yes it is

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Byron Mackay: um and so you'll be able to get that and

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00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:35.760
Byron Mackay: watch it and I believe there will be a

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00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:36.960
Byron Mackay: transcript if there's not at least you

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00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:38.240
Byron Mackay: get the recording and you'll be able to

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Byron Mackay: watch it there. Um let's see. Um

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Byron Mackay: Ash kind of coming back to my comment

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Byron Mackay: earlier about agentic modularization.

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Byron Mackay: Yes. uh that that is the way it's going

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Byron Mackay: I believe and and I what I see companies

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Byron Mackay: doing

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Byron Mackay: what I see some of the better companies

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Byron Mackay: doing I should say is I see them um I

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Byron Mackay: seeing engineers who have figure who are

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Byron Mackay: figuring that out in the engineering

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Byron Mackay: space and then the engineering team

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Byron Mackay: that's in charge of that the the number

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Byron Mackay: of people gets smaller

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Byron Mackay: because the people they they take some

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Byron Mackay: of those people and start putting them

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Byron Mackay: elsewhere and saying do that again over

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Byron Mackay: here with these people

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Byron Mackay: um because you don't need as many

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Byron Mackay: engineers to maintain it once you get it

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Byron Mackay: set up. But I will say fair warning

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Byron Mackay: getting it set up is not as easy as it

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Byron Mackay: sounds.

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Byron Mackay: It takes a lot of work, a lot of review,

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Byron Mackay: a lot of knowing what good looks like

1331
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Byron Mackay: and

1332
00:53:46.319 --> 00:53:48.640
Byron Mackay: knowing what quality is. Knowing what

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Byron Mackay: quality looks like is going to um

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Byron Mackay: determine how effective the full

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Byron Mackay: orchestration actually is. So, it's a

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Byron Mackay: lot of work, takes takes takes time. Be

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Byron Mackay: patient with it. Um but it will it can

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Byron Mackay: come to fruition. I've I've seen it

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Byron Mackay: myself from different um from different

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Byron Mackay: individuals and within our our group. Um

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Byron Mackay: and it's it's it is possible. It is very

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Byron Mackay: successful and it works. Um, just know

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Byron Mackay: that you are the quality bar. You're the

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Byron Mackay: one measuring the output. So,

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Byron Mackay: awesome. Okay,

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Byron Mackay: that looks like all the questions. Thank

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Byron Mackay: you everybody for coming tonight. Um,

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Byron Mackay: and thank you anybody who's watching

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00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:36.960
Byron Mackay: this after the fact. really appreciate

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00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:40.079
Byron Mackay: uh you coming and uh I hope that this

1351
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Byron Mackay: has been useful to kind of take into uh

1352
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:47.040
Byron Mackay: taking in some perspective of what is

1353
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Byron Mackay: required in the learning process.

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Byron Mackay: Remember it's the environment, it's the

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Byron Mackay: people you surround yourself by. It's

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Byron Mackay: how you leverage these tools. Um it's

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Byron Mackay: something that we've found works really,

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00:54:57.520 --> 00:54:59.760
Byron Mackay: really well at Gauntlet and I've seen it

1359
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:02.000
Byron Mackay: work really well throughout my career.

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Byron Mackay: So go out there um build your tribe and

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Byron Mackay: uh and please consider coming to

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Byron Mackay: Gauntlet where we have a great group of

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Byron Mackay: individuals who want to learn just like

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Byron Mackay: you do and we can help jumpst start your

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Byron Mackay: career um with our 10-week program. It's

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Byron Mackay: a it's a lot of fun and I hope to hear

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Byron Mackay: from you all soon. Have a great night

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Byron Mackay: everybody.